Governor John Connally and his wife, Nellie, sat in front of them. Mr. PREYER - I would like before we begin to read a written statement concerning the subject of the investigation. Find helpful customer reviews and review ratings for JFK Assassination : The James B. Wilcott Files And The CIA Oswald Project: An Investigative Report at Amazon.com. Mr. DODD - Am I to believe by that that you were not aware at the time you made the disbursement that it was, in fact, an Oswald project? Was there something more to this move than meets the eye? Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. Every station was divided up -- at least every class station was divided up into areas, where we would have a China, branch, Korea branch and XXXXXXXX branch and SR branch and SR satellite. I don't know that anyone has ever looked into it. There is a vast literature on the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, . I discussed it with my friends and the people that I was associating with socially. DL 100-10461. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. Mr. WILCOTT - In 1963, I wasn't think that much about it. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, sir. It was only my personal
Mr. GOLDSMITH - Could you give an example of that? Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. every CIA Case Officer who worked XXXXXXXXXX in 1963? Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. In 1970, the TSBD and the schoolbook publishers moved out of the old 411 Elm Street building. Mr. WILCOTT - It is based on the principle that only those persons who are involved in a project or involved in operation -- and even things that would not seem to be at all in any way secret -- only those people should know about, it and nobody else should know about it, and that was a "need-to-know" basis
Mr. WILCOTT - No, sir, I did not. On October 5, 1986, Elsie Wilcott died of cancer. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Why did you wait five years? Mr. SCHAAP - My name is William Schaap, S - c - h - a -, a - p (spelling), and I am an Attorney here in Washington. Mr. WILCOTT - No. Glazes meetings with Shelley were therefore not at the Ambassador Row facility, as I originally believed, but rather they occurred at the building on Gemini Lane. Mr. DODD - How long had you been married by the way? Mr. WILCOTT - No, I don't. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, sir. Years later, I found out that he moved to Austin, Texas, where he began working for the Austin American Statesman in 1979. Strange Deaths Of People Who Knew Too Much About The JFK Assassination: 92 Witnesses, Researchers, CIA Agents, Police Officers, Reporters, Girlfriends Who Just Knew Way Too Much! Mr. GOLDSMITH - How many people in the CIA? Please try again. Mr. CORNWELL - On any other occasion? Mr. GOLDSMITH - I take it, from your testimony, that in November of 1963, you were stationed in XXXXXXXXXXXXX Station, is that correct? In 1947, the year when the CIA was formed, the Dallas city directory lists William Shelley as a clerk for the Hugh Perry Book Depository (the old name for the Texas School Book Depository), and that he had a room at 515 Martinique Avenue. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Do you know whether CIA Headquarters would have had either copies or originals of the cash disbursement files? I asked the first man I sawa man who was telephoning from a pillar in the middle of the roomwhere I could call from. The fact that he went and got his gun afterwards and then walked to the Texas Theater, perhaps to meet with someone, this suggests that he had some kind of agenda to fulfill. Although he left in December 1973, he was certain that the musician who disappeared in Dallas was not among the core members of the band. Mr. GOLDSMITH - With whom? She and three co-workersVictoria Adams, Sandra Styles, and Elsie Dormanviewed the shooting of the president from their fourth-floor office window. [13], (As an aside, CIA officer William Harvey worked for Bobbs-Merrill in the last years of his life as a law editor.[14]). Mr. PREYER - And you did mention the case officer who came in and told you that the money he had drawn out a few weeks earlier was drawn out for Oswald? How long were the XXXXXXXXX cash disbursement files or records retained? Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. Mr. GOLDSMITH - And a copy of the relevant House Resolutions? Finally, under threats and intense harassment from Dallas Police, I was forced to flee Dallas in early 1975. Mr. PREYER - It had no relation to your performance? Mr. WILCOTT - That is true, sir. And I will ask the question again, okay. Mr. WILCOTT - No, I didn't. According to an FBI report dated November 22, 1963, warehouse manager Roy Truly said, The Texas School Book Depository has occupied the building at 411 Elm Street for only a few months. Mr. SCHAAP - Mr. Chairman, I would like to interpose, I guess, an objection, although I would like to make it more in the nature of a request, that I have some problems in terms of advising my client with respect to possibly self incrimination, that I would not advise him to go into questions of his specific knowledge of the oath and the application to what he did other than the fact that he has told you, which is a fact, that he did sign the oath; but to, go into his mental processes as to whether he felt what he was then doing related to the oath in a particular way, I would request that those questions not be asked on the grounds that they may violate either his First Amendment rights or his Fifth Amendment rights, if that would be all right. Mr. WILCOTT - In conversation. He was the mayor at that time. [27] Gerald McKnight, Breach of Trust p. 115. Afterwards, she, her husband, and their child quickly disappeared. CIA might handled any projects involving Oswald and for what purpose they might have used Oswald? [14] William Harvey obituary in The New York Times, June 14, 1976. [3], Actually, the move took place a few months before the assassination. Mr. CORNWELL - Did they tell you whether or not you passed the polygraphs? Mr. SAWYER - Who is the public safety commissioner? Mr. GOLDSMITH - And will you tell the Committee what that relationship was? Apparently, security measures to keep people from talking continued even after they went into retirement or found other occupations. Something went wrong. Mr. SCHAAP - Do you mean, how many people who were in the CIA or how many people in the general population? Mr. WILCOTT - We thought every year, my wife and I and the friends that we had -- we said, "Well, this is one thing that they aren't going to keep a lid on." Considering the noise of gun blasts and the uproar going on outside, it is odd that Oswald continued to be unconcerned. The Three Barons proves that it is possible (with enough research), to reconstruct the organizational chart of the JFK plot. He was traveling from his mothers house in Ohio to Georgia. Behind the building are five loading docks and an asphalt lot extensive enough to accommodate a number of trucks of any given size. Mr. WILCOTT - Well, it was just a cryptonym, and it could refer to a person, or it could refer to something else and I would have no way of knowing what a cryptonym referred to. Their whereabouts are completely unknown. In the mid-1970s, the band employed a ten-piece orchestra to back them up. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Very generally now, what were your responsibilities as a finance employee with the agency? Mr. WILCOTT - It is a little bit east of Oakland, California. I was really scared to go to the Government and talk about any of these things. * JFK Facts editorJefferson Morley will personally answer your JFK questions. Learn more. Apart from the one officer who said to you that you had paid monies with respect to Oswald's cryptonym, what were the other six or seven persons' purported connection with Oswald and the Agency's relation to him. Had the seemingly insignificant trail of bread crumbs I stumbled across had not been so he avidly guarded, I might never have given it a second thought. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Did you ever bring your allegation to the attention of anyone in the CIA? Mr. CORNWELL - When this cryptonym was given to you by the officer, did any part of it ring any familiar note with you? Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, I did. Ms. Berning. It was dated December 12, 1977,[11] and, at the bottom, it had the authors full name. 3 By James Mathis and Martha Wagner Murphy Enlarge A photograph from Warren Commission exhibits shows the open limousine that carried President and Mrs. Kennedy through downtown Dallas. Bill Shelly claims he was arrested by the Dallas Police and formally charged with the assassination of President Kennedy. Why would anyone share the information that Oswald was an agent with you, Mr. Wilcott? Mr. WILCOTT - Well, the payments that were made especially to substations like Oswald's was operated -- it was a substation of the XXXXXXXX station, and they had one in XXXXXX and they had one in XXXXXXXXX-- and it may be six months or even a year after the intial allocation that the final accounting for those funds were submitted, and they would operate out of revolving funds or out of their own personal funds in many cases. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, I am. She died in 1969. The incident interested me enough to question the F.B.I. GLAZE, Elzie Dean Age 66, is celebrated by his family for his compassion, humor and willingness to help family, friends and the world at large. Why this information would.come out to a CIA station XXXXXXX rather than some other part of the world is, I assume, because Oswald was trained in Japan, according to your belief. Wilcott lost a good job after leaving the CIA after his employer was told he would soon be under incitement when he wasnt and never was. Near the two freight elevators were Shelley and co-worker Billy Lovelady. Oversized boxes were also seen by Joe Bergin, Jr. when he visited his father at the 411 Elm Street building. Mr. SCHAAP - Excuse me. If you should need to contact me, you may do so in care of the Lubbock Avalanche Journal newspaper in Lubbock, Tx. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Referring to that list, would you tell the Committee where you were stationed during your period with the CIA? Findings of the Select Committee on Assassinations in the Assassination of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. in Memphis, Tenn. April 4, 1968. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. Mr. DODD - And your dissatisfaction with the Agency and with the course of American government preceded the actual assassination of President Kennedy? Mr. WILCOTT - I was recruited from the school in Syracuse New York, where I was taking a course in accounting and busi- ness administration. When I interviewed him, he was living alone with his three cats, depending for his income on the charity of his father and disability checks. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Were there any other times during your stay with the CIA at XXXXXXXXXX Station that you came across information that Oswald had been a CIA agent? Mr. DODD - As a point of information, are people who work within the Agency fairly careful in their language in describing what the category of certain people are who work for the Agency? Mr. GOLDSMITH - Would those summaries be destroyed as a matter of routine, to your knowledge? Regardless, it ended up in my files around the time we opened the JFK Center in 1989. Please publish modules in offcanvas position. Mr. SAWYER - What was the name of the FBI agent who you think infiltrated this antiwar group? files -- my internal files, prior to the end of the month. [30] In that same article Rose writes that Shelly was one of the building employees who identified Oswald for the police when he was brought in to the station. Yet judging by the disgust in his voice when he said at the police station Im just a patsy, he probably did not know that he would be the one accused of killing the president. With that, I pass along my rather tiny candle, plus my best wishes and encouragement. Mr. WILCOTT - With any degree of certainty, other than just speculation, I would say, six or seven with some degree of certainty. And we thought every year it was going to be coming out, and especially I didn't think that -- since what I had heard was all hearsay that I would never have seen Oswald or anything like that -- this is not the kind of thing that would be used for even something like the Warren Commission, and they would have to have something more substantial than that to go on, aside from the fact that I never would have done it in the CIA, being a very risky thing to do with the CIA. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, sir. Mr. WILCOTT - No, sir; he was described to me as an, agent and I was led to believe, from the conversations that he was an agent. Mr. GOLDSMITH - And for purposes of clarification, now, if Oswald was already dead at the time that you went to this book, why did you go back to examine the book? They were co-hosts of a program called Alternative Views featuring news, interviews, and opinion pieces from a progressive point of view. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Is the answer to that "yes"? And perhaps even having people inside the TSBD as assets. At the time of the assassination of JFK, Wilcott worked at the Agency's Tokyo station where he said he was told by other Agency personnel that funds he himself had disbursed were for "Oswald" or the "Oswald Project." I went immediately into the clear space on the ground floor and asked where there was a phone. Find all the books, read about the author, and more. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, it is. All visits to the building must be strictly business-related. Mr. WILCOTT - Generally so, I would say, at that time. William Weston began researching the assassination of President Kennedy in 1992, after making a comparison of Anthony Summers excellent book Conspiracy to a book defending the official version called Final Disclosure by David Belin. Mr. WILCOTT - Well, actually even prior to the Kennedy, assassination, my wife and I both became disturbed about the stories that we kept hearing about things, control of newspapers and so on. Mr. PREYER - Let me interrupt. Mr. WILCOTT - They never revealed that to me, sir, as far as their relations with Oswald. Mr. DODD - I have no further questions. Mr. GOLDSMITH - And in what general capacity did you work with the CIA? Mr. WILCOTT - That is correct, sir. Told to report to base by the tower. Mr. WILCOTT - June of 1964. or C.I.A. Mr. DODD - I am just a little confused, I guess, over your reaction. You may have noticed that at the end of my letter to Alternative Views I carbon-copied to my will. It was intended as a jab at myself lest I get too full of myself rereading it 50 years from now. From June of 1964 to about December of 1964, I was at Roseland. Mr. WILCOTT - I have no idea, sir. Mr. CORNWELL - Did any event cause any disagreement between you and the Agency? [17] Gladys Cason, One Life, self-published book, 2004, pp. Mr. GOLDSMITH - I did not intend to get into that area. Top subscription boxes right to your door, 1996-2023, Amazon.com, Inc. or its affiliates, Learn more how customers reviews work on Amazon, includes free international wireless delivery via. Mr. Shelly claims to have been an intelligence officer during World War II and thereafter joined the CIA. Mr. PREYER - How many people were at the station in XXXXXXXXXXX approximately? Mr. WILCOTT - Well, my tires were slashed and damage done to my car and I believe sugar poured in the gas tank, and whether this was actually CIA or not I have no way of knowing, and it could also have been just for harassment as a result of antiwar activities but I think there is also a possibility that it could have been attempts to intimidate me into talking about the CIA. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, sir. Shelley told Glaze that he himself was arrested for the assassination. Mr. DODD - You liked him? She said that no one by the name of Glaze was currently working for the newspaper, nor was that name among the files of past employees. In the decades following that fateful day, former employees of these companies have been reluctant to answer questions. Joe Molina, credit manager for the book depository since 1947, worked with FBI informer William Lowery in infiltrating leftist organizations. Mr. WILCOTT - They called me up to chief of security, the agent security, and they interviewed me on the association that I had had with the group, and then they gave me a polygraph -- in fact, two polygraphs -- concerning my association with the group of people that I met with the group. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Excuse me, please proceed very slowly. Mr. CORNWELL - Do you recall whether or not you used that in the process of looking through the 30-day book you described? Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, sir. James Wilcott worked out of the Tokyo CIA station at the time of the assassination. He is loved and will always be remembered by his wife Sylvia Glaze, daughter Hailey Glaze, and sister, brothers, nieces, nephews and friends. Since then, he has written numerous articles on the subject for various periodicals, including The Fourth Decade, Dealey Plaza Echo, and Probe. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. [18], Less than a minute after the assassination, two Scott Foresman employees, Victoria Adams and Sandra Styles, who were on the fourth floor, ran down the stairs to the first floor. Mr. PREYER - I understand this might be a good place for us to break and go and vote, so that we will take another recess for about ten minutes. Conditions at home and at work put a severe strain on Joes parents. Mr. GOLDSMITH - However, your testimony is that you spoke to only six people as an estimate who indicated that Oswald was a CIA agent -- and when I say six people, I mean six CIA people, is that correct? 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