I don't want him to get suckered into this, he sounds so passionate about it too.PS. This varies from country to country, and strategy to strategy! One is for a free ebook called Merchants of Deception and that will spell out to you exactly what life inside Amway is like. As for Warren Buffett and Donald Trump: Warren Buffett does in fact own an MLM (let's call it what it is) but if you look into it, it is run much different from the one we are discussing, and he really isn't directly involved with it. Free trips? Amway Wiki is one of the most popular Amway related websites on the internet, with nearly 20,000 visitors a month and an awful lot of that traffic comes from people searching for the names of individual Diamonds folk are looking for information, lets help them get the facts! I'm surprised some assholes in his Amway upline hasn't already counselled with him about the hairstyle choice because that's all those Amway bastards do in night owls is bitch at the ambots about what they drive, what they wear, and their hair style. I immediately stopped when I found out my sponsor and his wife had been at it for a few years and were STILL working jobs! Yes, a Diamond who follows the instructions, which includes having 10 RETAIL customers every month and builds that ethic into their downline could make $150 K per year. . I'll bet twice as many are questioning their faith after being involved with some of the unsavory elements in the Sales organizations. It is the largest multi-level marketing company in the world by revenue. However you Amway "Christians" worship the Great Amway God and worship greed and material things so you're really fucked up in your twisted religious beliefs.This blog is all about transposing how people in Amway treat the rest of the world and sling it back at them. Thanks! agar aap wo paana chahate ho jo apko mil na saka to wo karna hoga jo apne abhi tak kiya nahi.. ONLY AMWAY CAN MAKE YOU TO HAVE ALL THE HAPPINESSES IN LIFE. Let's just assume he purchased it over time at an average of $450 per share - so $450k out of his claim of making $1.22 million. The text of Amway Wiki is copyrighted (automatically, under the Berne Convention) by TribeTech AB and Amway Wiki's editors and contributors. Look anna saintana fuck off and get a life. Save big with the world's largest selection of diamonds. 1965 - First Diamonds Recognized Dutts are Amway's first Diamonds, followed quickly by Hansens and Victors. you haven't lost hope. Depending on the result the person would be a "hit" if they agreed to see the plan, a "miss" if there was no answer and a "flush" if they had the temerity to refuse the opportunity of a lifetime. Thank GOD. Wonder how the wwdb cult leaders explain how they took 5+ yrs to get a new diamond. Yup the life of an Amway Ambot is to lie, deny, distract, defend, and then disappear.Though maybe that was Theo who popped in last week. ?if someone unemployed joins amway..great! Diamond are able to requalify. Check:http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/amway-quixtar-rich-devos-jay-van-andel/ada-michigan-49301/amway-quixtar-rich-devos-jay-van-andel-ada-michigan-robin-hoods-in-reverse-ada-mi-88617. Posting something that serves no purpose other than to cause fighting.7. Diamond Club: February 3-8, 2023. They want a product. even 19 years later, I am still haunted by that experience. The diamond money comes from selling the "tools" that the lower level people think will get them "rich" too.Let's be honest. I am saying for myself, I was taught and have higher business ethics then Scamway.Living my own dream, Freddy. Hope that answers your question.Also, think of it this way, who wants to make money off you? So if you go by Amway ambot logic if Im broke then so are Amway Diamonds. It's their way or nothing at all. Sometimes the greatest achievements have the most humble beginnings. He tried to get me to join a couple of months back to which I said no. . Here are five cities with the best passes money can buy. . Kyle - Amway ambots judge everybody who is not in Amway so this is our little spot on the web where we can just people in Amway. That's why this blog exists to talk about what you evil motherfucking Amway demons are really like. It only suggests you could be if you work hard at it.If it only provides $1000 or 2000 per month extra, that should already be awesome. Like I said, I don't make any money off you whatever you do so its no skin off my ass if you want to sign up with Amway and go through financial and emotional distress. Regarding the percentage of Alticors revenue that comes from Amway, a few years back (dont have a link handy sorry), the media reported Alticors non-Amway holdings as doing around $100 million. Wow, I knew it. Got in in '94, and out in '96. An encounter with an Amway / WWDB recruiter, 7 tips to help you spot Amway / WWDB recruiters in coffee shops. Christ says "It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get into heaven." And there have been reports of Diamonds going into foreclosure. Shocking! See you're too nice. Amwayers use to say, once a direct always a direct. The average diamond earns about $150,000, according to Amway. Its a system designed for failure. Answer (1 of 9): Amway diamond income is made up of bonus and commissions paid by Amway and the income earned from BWW which produces Talks and organizes seminars. Not filling the garage with soap they'll be using for the next 20 years because they can't find any suckers to sell it to. For the calendar year 2021, the average income from Amway for all U.S. registered IBOs at the Founders Platinum level and below was $766 before expenses. Hold on Darnell, are you saying that your parent company doesn't provide full income disclosure of diamonds? Amway people are liars. That's why most people don't want anything to do with Amway. Times were [] It's how pyramids work. Indeed they do get speaking fees. Would you like to share this work plan to grow so highly with me as a help. Most ambots start to think about quitting in 6 months when they're not making money. business. If you qualify for Diamond Select, you will be treated to an extended trip with exclusive activities and VIP pampering, plus more time to connect, collaborate and relax with fellow business leaders. After all, as we speak, IBOs in your team are leaving and you have to replace them, otherwise you'll drop out of qualification! Hence this blog doesn't take long to read guess not many commenting parties. It is my fault for being too curious, I should have known that this "get rich " in a few years is too good to be true. Thank you for stopping by and setting us straight. 2012. i am hiting 6% level.very fast i want to go diamond From what Ive seen of Amway Diamonds they live beyond their means. But he does. You need to counsel with the assholes in your Amway upline. For the past decade, Amway has had a bumpy ride. And if you only spent a grand in 3 years in Amway you weren't really doing Amway, probably just helping out someone with pity purchases. So go, man, go!! Lies, double-speak, "fake it til you make it", tricks and bullshit to reel someone in and get them plugged into the "motivational" (brainwashing) system to make them "dream" instead of THINK and do the math. Anna Banana-There is no negative in this post of Darnell's. We were actively involved in the business for years and were greatly blessed in the relationships we have and the things we learned from our upline and all of the Diamonds and above from the seminars we chose to go to. Thats to Amway and other MLM business, common people can take part of the billion dollar industry of distribution. Anonymous - you'd think after all these decades those Ambots could come up with more original lines! And thats why Amway products are so fucking expensive. It's a common theme across many Amway Motivational Organizations (AMO). Ive witnessed this my whole life. LOL! It takes a special kind of person to be able to deal with an IBO for a spouse because any form of argument against their god will be ruthlessly destroyed. Yup they all want to meet for coffee. the same guy thats trying to get me to join amway tells me that he buys lip gloss from amway for 10$ and resells it to people for 20$. You're just a low life commissioned salesperson for this scam outfit. Or tickets to hear a cult leader speak. as in once a "diamond," always a? You're going to earn the $84, you're not going to retire in 2-5 years. A diamondship is made up of as least 6 platinums. You do seem bitter for some reason. 2nd Anonymous - yeah what the fuck was that gibberish? Maybe not every day during the week either. I love my new Amway family and especially eqipovision. Peanuts in the greater scheme of things but I guess they all start to add up after awhile into income losses for the kingpins. The Amway cult leaders should just tell VanAndel and DeVos to fuck off and then they should move on to another MLM scam where they can flog their tools. If Amway is such a great opportunity, why don't Amway distributors prospect people by saying "I am involved in Amway would you like to go with me to an Amway meeting"? Look at all the people who I helped destroy marriages and brought financial and emotional distress to their lives. Amway has been great to me and my family. Bad evil people like those in Amway the Cult of Greed go around treating people badly and then justify themselves as being Christians. And Diamonds ain't forever. Well they'd need to. Hi Markee. January 6, 2012: Updated information on Carole Holiday here. Depending how old they are they might not ever be able to bounce back from the Amway hell hole. It doesn't have to its a private company selling top quality items and paying people to recommend them. Worth also noting that all of Alticors non-Amway related revenues are based in the United States, and media and industry reports regularly state that more than 90% of Alticors revenue comes from outside of the US, so Amway revenue is that revenue plus Amway US revenue, which has been reported at around the $860 million mark leaving less than $200 million for non-Amway Alticor revenue, consistent with the earlier reports. Like you didn't have a better way to spend a Friday night! rating for bluenile.com. Hi anna. He got signed last month and I consider this person as 1 of my best friends that I truly care about. Usually they're screeching this stuff everywhere they can!And why aren't you already retired? After leaving 2 short insulting comments full of typos the 3rd comment was he's a triple executive diamond.The numbers any ambot throws out at you will never add up. Avon closing in Australia and New Zealand, 15 consecutive months of growth for Amway North America. I am enjoying the path of this business because I do not believe that another person can dictate what I am worth, I know it's a investment and if your passion and work ethic is strong you can succeed in the business! That's good news for the owners of Amway but how does that affect their lowly paid commissioned salespeople.Ambots also show up here claiming that Amway has made more millionaires than Microsoft or Google of wherever but so far no one's shown up with a list of the millionaires for comparison. If you have capital to build a business then do so help the economy and build something of your own. Depends where they are on the get a bigger piece of pie plan. Diamonds really make close to 400k. Do you feel judging people and saying they will be in hell is appropriate? look at any person with any significant success and you'll always here stories of people that Todd then to quit, but the common denominator with all successful people they ignored them and kept going. This article is insanely biased. Lying and bullshitting. Anonymous - the good thing is 95% of Amway IBO's quit within 2 years so the average is on the side of your nephew. 4 bed, 4 bath, 5,144 sq. Here are the reasons Amway Ambots say they don't have retirement savings: 1. Public figures like politicians and actors and people known in Amway are probably OK the owners, Diamonds with CDs or who speak at functions, people in Amways publicity department who write press releases and blogs. Its about the only thing taught at Scamway meetings. $20+ for lip gloss?!!! Get out there, build your business. Maybe Kenny Rogers put it best-Jerry, I mean i guess you were in the business. Either way Darnell showed up here spouting off lies and bullshit, undoubtedly duplicating what he's heard from the fucking lying assholes in his Amway upline. But when the diamond falls out of qualification fees dry up. I call BS on this entire statement. I think this is yet another brainwashed Ambot assuming anyone who shines a light on the lies and deceit of the Amway SCAM/pyramid are just a bunch of folks who prefer to "rant" instead of find solutions. It's the only way to try to hold together a downline that is losing money month after month. There is a link to a free ebook called Merchants of Deception. It could be possible that Theo had just purchased the share in a weeks before his post (after the 1:7 split that occurred on June 9th, 2014) which would have set him back about $93,000. Youre the liar you broke loser. And yeah, it was weird and cult like "Tonight we get to watch Dave give the Plan!" When our sack of shit Platinum talked his downline into moving over to Monavie I estimate that was a loss of around $25,000/month to Amway. Learn how your comment data is processed. Everything looks good on paper doesn't it but the reality of putting the Amway plan into action is pretty much impossible. Diamonds don't make 150kthose are emeralds. The Mona Vie Black Diamond apparently gave the impression that they had left Amway due to anger at Amway's request to sign the declaration. Posting something creepy anonymously and we cant track your location because youre on a mobile device or using hide my ass or some other proxy. Anonymous - its the old saying nothing in life is free. LOL! Turn a blind eye, whatever, Amway does not sell good products and doesn't have a good reputation so seeing its reputation constantly flushed down the toilet is something head office is well accustomed to. 95% quit (Amway's figures) within 2 years of signing up. I have tried contacting customer service at Amway to get actual figures for Amway, but was told that since Amway is a privately held corporation, they dont have to release those numbers. Why? L.O.L. . Anonymous - you and I might know this thanks to high level Amway IBO's who spilled their guts about the Amway tool scam but we'll never convince a brainwashed Ambot. From conversations with my emerald and diamonds. Sorry it doesn't meet your high standards. This product item already exists in the list. i love to do this business. I fail to see how financial and emotional distress is awesome but then I don't meet this ambot's high standards. Plant your seeds now for future benefit. There is no charge to read this blog, leave a comment, there's nothing for sale here, and the bananas don't get money for participating here.People in Amway want to make money off you. Considering benefits like healthcare and retirement, the total compensation package likely approaches $200k. I open mindly listened and quickly got bored. Tyler we've heard all the brainwashed Amspeak before. Hope you all have much success in life. Come back when you can show us a picture of your Mercedes, and not someone else's. I was in Amway back in 96 to 99. Gag gag gag!!!! They made no mention of her former life as an Amway Diamond. I hissed at her because I belonged to Greenpeace (got my membership in 3rd grade) and the thought of the whole fur coat thing grossed me out, let alone, all these pathetic women clamoring to touch them. LOL! Who should we believe? Kyle - subjective. About 45 years of your life.And most people retire on the pension / social security.That makes working a great way to becone financially free! Amway is a complete fraud!Its kind of like who blinks first. LOL! Unless they're really fucked in the head. The book does say that about 1/3 of millionaires acquired their wealth thru a J-O-B and saved and invested, but did mention that many millionaires were also un-extraordinary business owners, such as a pest control company, etc. Jun 24 - Jun 26, 2022. And yes when you're in Amway you are only supposed to socialize with other people in Amway because the rest of the world who aren't in Amway are losers and dream stealers and must be avoided according to the assholes in your Amway upline that is. You might love the fucking assholes in your Amway upline so much that you'd be happy to suck dick and kiss ass. Will all find they're way no matter the vehicle. Nonsense. We always knew it had to do with everyone in the upline getting a piece of greed pie after the lowly Ambot at the bottom of the pyramid did a lot of work to make a sale. This is something many people need to know. De Vos and Van Andel collapsed like a cheap camera, and so the "Tools Scam" continues unabated right now.Let this be carved in granite: DON'T EVER SIGN UP IN AMWAY. Yeah the smart people who quit almost as soon as they sign up can get a refund. God helped me to take decision to start AMWAY. Ambit ambot treky gamer softball ballet wrestling scandal housewives of any city MLB nurses doctors attorneys teachers bus drivers painters janitors housekeepers air force sergeants college drop outs home wreckers divorcies engineers police officers ceos bankers hobos toilet cleaners garbage men truck drivers golfers successful failures sanguine shy opinionated blind crippled old young retired teens cashiers chefs ushers couple singles homosexuals tourist pilots greeters cloth folders designers tech gurus architects painters carpenters candle makers sales men machine operators gymist personal trainers secretaries managers call center workers horse riders sailors fishers skiers dancers. After all, less than 1 percent of Amway distributors go Diamond. Amway wouldn't print it out if it wasn't true, would they? "if someone unemployed joins amway..great! And wouldn't you like to be your own boss and blah blah blah.Stuff that would make sense if it was a legitimate business opportunity and not that you're paying a company big bucks to be a lowly paid commissioned salesperson.Then the Ambot pulled out a napkin and drew circles on it and said you find 6 people and they find 6 people and so on and then you'll all be rich.That book you read, without commenting on its contents is a huge seller for Amway. Not people, but Rs. That is where the real money is, and it only goes to a fdew select "A-list " diamonds. He's not selling pots and pans. 'We're buying a house in the Bayou Club. I told them to go F&@ck themselves. Their income as declared by Amway is Rs 82.41 Lacs/an. Using the toughest international qualification for Diamond (10000 points per leg), and assuming zero overlap between Diamonds and zero international sponsorship (both of which are not true), you could theoretically support 4000 qualifying Diamonds with only $4.3 billion in revenue (10000 points * 6 months * 6 legs * $3 per pv * 4000 diamonds). You support restaurants don't you? And Im sure if you take it seriously, you will be up there with all the diamonds too. I hate all of them. Thanks for leaving a comment and bumping my rating up higher on Google! Lastly, everyone just needs to settle down. And I'm talking a low quality chocolate. And if the first one doesn't work then there's always another one to try. Greed and ego can lead people to make stupid decisions, that can hurt other people. Or you can tell them you're getting together with some people who are producing gay porno movies and looking for investors and ask them if they'd like to join you and invest too. . Its about the amount of effort you put into this business. TheWhiteafroguy - all over this blog I write about our involvement with WWDB aka World Wide Destructive Bastards. Of course peoples personal experiences and opinions are biased based on their true life stories duh!!! However, if he were to claim that he owned the Apple stock for more that one month, he's saying that he purchased 1,000 shares of a stock whose value ranged between $300 and $600 per share over the three years that he's been in business. CRAZY!! You don't have to pay some fucking asshole in your Amway upline $100+ a month for that shit. Now the Internet has made it a more transparent society. Hi Anonymous - the only way ambots can sucker prospects into attending an Amway meeting is by lying that its some other kind of meeting. Of course, Diamonds can have international legs, Diamonds do overlap, and Diamonds have Platinum legs that are bigger than 7500PV, so that figure likely has no little resemblance to reality. he tells us that we are to expect trials and suffering along the way. Folding your cards does not entail 'losing' or 'quitting'. *. They teach you to keep positive, keep pushing to achieve your dreams, and to never quit. Even if she only makes one sale a month she'd still be making more money than she would in Amway. Theo is either full of crap or Theo has a great deal of debt. So, the real money is in selling the dream. A diamond pin is finally available. Note that I said chose. Over 200,000 GIA-Graded. The way to make money is selling CD's and tickets to functions. According to him the recruitment takes 7 steps and he'd like to meet me again tomorrow to complete another step. Thats 30 k. Each. 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